I will say it again, oh please! What the fuck are you really trying? I know, you know, all know hard of hearing means deaf people with self identity problems. People’s identity is rooted in their identifications, in what they associated themselves with.
The word “deaf” means who you are, what you are associated yourself with. Deaf people are proud proprietors of a their own culture, then say you are deaf and be proud of yourselves. You may speak or hear abit, so what? You can never join the hearing community, it doesn’t matter how hard you’re trying.
In your life, you have always heard by your parents how sad it’s without hearing. Don’t protect them, they’re discriminating you during your childhood. Your perspective on life is based by childhood, so childhood is important for everyone. Your deaf identity is mostly fucked up by your own parents, your lovely parents. What do you think when a parent is taking a turn in everyday with his children, in everyday he just must mentions what he hears thing around them. Why must he mentions? To say which one sense his children missed? How bad it’s to miss a sense?
When I’m playing with the pen on the table, I’m making sounds, or what hard of hearings would mentions noise. And yes, I know I’m making sounds and I like that, but someone hard of hearing ask me to stop making noises. But so what? I can make sound if I want. Later I might see a hard of hearing is making noises, which one noise is irritable for me, so I do go to them and asking stop with that. To answer I get, is I cannot hear so it’s not relevant. For me it seems deaf shouldn’t be allowed to make sound cause we’re deaf, because hard of hearing can feel better. A step more closely your parents, after much discrimination in childhood. So it’s a great change to come closer your parents. Okay, if its what you want then do it. But don’t use us, give fuck. I’m deaf because I choose to do.
It’s how you have been “hard of hearing”.
At last I want to ask you hard of hearing to take a look at yourselves and answer the question, “am I better than my deaf friends because I’m blessed with a sense, which isn’t working 100 percent?”.
I hope my previous comment to your post about honesty has arrived. Feels like I am sending them as messages in a bottle.
But what you are trying to comment on here is complex. Your identity does not solely consist of being deaf; you are many things? You are a person based upon experiences truly unique to you. What you have seen and done are things that only you are the true owner of.
You are the child of your parents. So what if your parents, that are hearing, truly believes that you are missing out on something if you are hard of hearing, not socially, but just medically seen? The lack of ability to do something that they truly appreciate? Most parents wish only the best for their children. Then would it not be logical to expect that hearing parents wants their children to hear as well? Discovering that being deaf does in no way mean living a lesser life is a journey, for both child and parents. You cannot tell someone that it is so, and expect them to fully understand. But telling them the opposite, that the lack of the ability to hear actually degrades the quality of life, which is something that is much easier for some hearing parents to believe, should not be done, because that rules out the possibility of having a good life.
When you are saying that parents discriminate their children during childhood, you may be very right, but it is nevertheless not a conscious action of them. They are just loving their children!
But whose fault is this discrimination? I say, again, it is not the parents. But those who are in charge of the education of mind and character of those within the society are to blame! But sadly, our society is constructed in a way that makes it nearly impossible for the state to promote good values (beware, I do not say right values!) and to be consistent and reflected when shaping the society through social institutions. We have the schools, but we do not have the wise leadership that carries the experiences that time have given! When the leaders are younger than the teachers at school, when those who shall decide what is to be taught lacks the experience of wisdom; then where do we go? In circles! When a generation dies, everything must be taught, lived, seen over again if they are to have impact on the control of our society!
This is the very problem. Our society will never learn that being deaf does not mean a lesser life, at least no more than being born mean it.
I find it very rude that people reject doing the very same thing they believe they have the right to ask others to do. If they can ask you to stop making noise, then you should be allowed asking the same in return.
I am drained. Let us do some grammatical enhancement of your text:
First paragraph:
1) “… fuck are you really trying?” Please change the end to “trying to do?” or “trying to accomplish?”
2) “I know, you know, all know hard …” the last one “all know hard …” gets better if you write “we all know that hard …”, yes, remember the “that”.
3) “…, in what they associated themselves with”, look at the overall time of the text and the tense of the verbs in your sentence. When you say “identifications” and then do a further explanation with your next clause after the comma, you must use the same tense there as “identifications” had. Its tense is present continuous. Then “associate” must have the same tense: “associates” and not “associated”.
Gosh, I am learning, myself.
Second paragraph:
0) Be consequent considering time and the tenses of the verbs. I know it is hard to spot what is wrong and what is right.
1) “what you are associated yourself with”, look at “are associated”, you are speaking about something that you have done, therefore, you must use “have” and not “are”. But it is legal to say “are associated with” in other contexts, e.g. “the H1N1-infected people are associated with symptoms as shrinking feet and getting a yellow tongue”.
2) “… proud proprietors of a their own”, nah, not “of a their own”. You are talking about a specific culture; their culture, not a culture (general). Should be “of their own”
3) When using “you”, whom are you directing yourself towards? The reader, or a group? Here in this paragraph you have used “you” as a reference to the reader. Then you must use “yourself” and not “yourselves” (the latter is directed towards a group).
Third paragraph:
1) “Heard by your parents”, you cannot hear by your parents, unless you are magical and your ears are the same ears as the ones of your parents. “Heard from your parents” is more acceptable (and more likely). I did not know of your magical abilities? We must discuss this over a good cup of tea someday.
2) Nearly the same thing here: “based by” means founded by a person or started by someone. So, “your perspective on life is based by childhood” should rather be: “your perspective on life is based on your childhood”
3) “Taking a turn” is the concept of changing your heading, e.g. if the road changes direction.
4) “In everyday he just must mentions what he hears thing around them”, “in everyday” is used with something that happens every day, e.g. life. You can say “in everyday life”, or “in everyday driving” but not alone as: “in everyday”. Here, you could use “daily” instead. It works great!
Why do you say “he”? A parent might be female (about 50% are).
“… he just must mentions” is a Norwegian expression, sorry, mate. You could say “he must mention” (see, without the -s on mention because of “must”, see http://www.englishpage.com/modals/must.html).
“… mentions what he hears thing around them”, instead of “what”, you could and should use “that”.
Fourth paragraph:
1) “… hard of hearing would mentions noise”, not “mentions” but “mention as noise”.
2) “… but someone hard of hearing ask me”, please place a modal here (will/shall/may), and a “then” so that things follow each other: “but then someone hard of hearing will ask me to …”.
3) “Later I might see a hard of hearing is making noises, which one noise is irritable …”, this sentence is somewhat challenging. But we like challenges, I certainly hope!
“I might see” implies a possibility in the past future. Remember this time. But this is messed up because of the use of “might” which results in the changing of the tense of several verbs; as described in the link I gave. The first part of the sentence ends up like this: “later I might see a hard of hearing make noise”.
“…, which one noise is irritable for me”, which should be “noise that is irritable to me”. Read this: http://www.askoxford.com/betterwriting/classicerrors/grammartips/whichorthat about which or that. Here, we do not know what you want to tell about the noise.
4) “To answer I get, is I cannot hear so …”, you cannot say “to answer” as in the Norwegian way, in English, “to” is a direction, unless it is a part of the tense infinite. http://www.englishforums.com/English/PrepositionInfinitive/zvgzr/post.htm
“… I get, is I …” here you have forgotten a “that”: “I get is that I …”
5) “So it’s a great change to come …”, “chance” not “change”, I believe?
And, in the very end:
1) “At last I …”, usually “at last” means “finally” as in “I have finally managed to read the book”, which could be “at last have I managed to read the book”. But if you say: “Conclusively, I want to ask you who are hard of hearing to …”. But that sounds way to formal. I do not have any better suggestions (out of lack of sleep), but I believe you understand my point.
And I believe you now see that my sword no longer is a sword, it has turned into a mere wooden stick! You are showing improvements! Keep up this very good work. And keep provoking! It is necessary!
M.T.
By: Samuel Clemens on January 8, 2010
at 04:13
Nå må du ikke skjære alle over en kam…
Hvis jeg forstår deg rett i tredje avsnitt, så bør du tenke litt. Hørende foreldre med døve/tunghørte barn vil jo bare dele sin glede med barna sine. For dem betyr lydene utrolig mye. Bare det å høre fuglene kvitre på morgenen. Vi døve har aldri opplevd det, og derfor savner vi det ikke. Jeg blir faktisk bare glad når noen hørende forteller hva de hører. For det er morsomt å vite hva de egentlig hører. Morten setter pris på at jeg forteller hva jeg hører i filmene. Telefonen som ringer i bakgrunnen, eller en som skriker bak døra, skumle lyder ute i ødemarka.. Ja, du skjønner?
Ba du personen om å slutte å lage lyder rett etter du ble bedt om å samme? For det kan virke som en hevn. Og da kan jeg forstå svaret til den andre personen. Synsstøy? Ja, da kunne du bare ha sagt det? Alle har rett i å si fra når de føler seg plaget eller forstyrret. Så du har all retten på din side. Jeg prøver bare å se saken fra to sider.
Jeg har aldri valgt selv å bli tunghørt. Jeg bare er det. Jeg har aldri sagt at jeg er bedre enn mine døve venner. Det hadde vært idiotisk. Jeg har jo mange døve venner. Og liker dem alle like mye uansett hvor dårlig eller godt de hører.
Det å være døv har sine fordeler, og tunghørte har også sine fordeler. Det er ikke lett å være tunghørt! Trenger vel ikke å liste opp hvordan det er .. ;P
By: Linda KH on January 19, 2010
at 19:47
For det første det handler ikke om alle, kun dem som kjenner seg igjen. Hvis du er en av dem, da bør du tenke deg en gang til om. For det andre er det ofte en ubevisst handling som få folk er klar over det.
Jeg ser ikke noen grunner at foreldre skal sifra barna si om lyd rundt seg i hver eneste dag, det er som å fortelle hva barna mangler i livet sitt. Det skader faktisk barn, det gir dem det en følelse at de faktisk mangler noe. Det har blitt forsket og det har kommet fram til en konklusjon at det faktisk stemmer.
Selvfølgelig det avhenger hvordan en situasjon er, hvis du ønsker å dele med typen din om lyder bak en film. Da er det jo bare hyggelig hvis typen din er interessert. Jeg ser ikke noe imot det. Men om du går rundt og sier hele tiden “der hører jeg en bil kjører forbi”, da er det totalt irrelevant å nevne det. Noe som mange gjør, det er tragisk og patetisk. En indirekte handling å løfte seg nærmerer den hørende verden.
Ang lyd, av naturlige grunner gjør jeg ikke det like etter. Selvfølgelig ikke. Synsstøy? For en latterlig, det er noe tunghørte tror, at døve ikke kan høre.Alle døve i verden, er det kun 10% eller noe sånt som er 100%døv. Ja, jeg er egentlig tunghørt, men jeg ikke gidder å bruke høreapparat.
Uansett du kan høre litt eller mye, du er døv for det. Tunghørt er et ord som gir en følelse at man er en skritt nærmere den hørende verden. Jeg driter i om folk kan høre litt eller snakke, vi har felles kultur og språk. Noe som definerer hvem vi er, nemlig døve. Jeg ser ikke ordet som et medisinsk begrep, men kulturelt.
By: Superbia on January 19, 2010
at 22:02
Jeg tror du misforstår meg. Jeg sa at du har all retten på din side å si at det bråker. Men det kan virke som hevn på personen hvis det skjedde rett etter du fikk beskjed om å slutte å bråke. Skjønner? Hehe, ikke noe vits å diskutere denne saken. Er jo enig med deg
Jeg vet at ingen døve er 100% DØV. Det har jeg sett gjennom hele mitt liv, tro meg
Jeg er jo nesten bare sammen med døve.
Jeg kjenner ikke til foreldrer som virkelig forteller om lydene rundt seg hver eneste dag. Tragisk, sier jeg bare. Det er bare fint hvis barna setter pris på det. Og det må vi bare akseptere. Noe liker det, andre ikke. Jeg går ikke rundt og nevner at jeg hører noe biler, eller lign. Men hvis noe spør, så forklarer jeg gjerne hvor lyden kommer fra.
Det virker som om du treffer bare “dumme” tunghørte, hvis de virkelig går rundt og forteller om lydene rundt seg osv.. kanskje de modner seg etterhvert og skjønner at det er bare shit.. Jeg synes at det kan virke frekt. Liksom, “jeg kan høre det, men ikke du..”
Du sier at du egentlig er tunghørt, men sier at du er døv. Så det samme gjør jeg. Men når hørende først ser meg snakke i telefonen, eller jeg står og prater med hørende, så blir det feil å si at jeg er døv. Da sier jeg at jeg er tunghørt. Hos døve sier jeg som regel at jeg er døv. Kanskje litt teit, men da slipper jeg ihvertfall å forklare hørende hvorfor jeg kan prate, men ikke noen andre døve. Så da er det lettere å bare si at det er fordi jeg er tunghørt. Eller er du uenig?
Edit: Mener ikke å si at døve ikke kan prate, det kan de. Men det finnes jo noen som ikke vil bruke stemme, eller nekter å prøve en gang.
By: Linda KH on January 20, 2010
at 07:45
Her er vi jo egentlig enige (= Angående hevn, jeg gjør akkurat det samme i en annen tid, nytt sted og det som har skjedd er glemt. Poenget mitt er egentlig ikke om vi får sifra, men mer at vi ikke kan lage støy bare fordi vi er “døve”. Det er fyfy og flaut.
Jeg treffer ikke dumme tunghørte, men med tunghørte folk snakker jeg altså om folk som sier det hele tiden “jeg er tunghørt” selv om det er kun døve tilstede. Hvis en går forbi 5-6døve som snakker sammen i byen og spør “er dere døve?” Da må noen alltid stå fram go si “Nei, jeg er tunghørt”. Hva er poenget egentlig?
For meg er du en av de få som sier “jeg er døv”. Mens resten er desperate å skrike høyt at de er ikke døve likevel. Det er en faktum at Norge er et tunghørt land. Det sier folk i utland stadig og støtt.
Det med hørende, har jeg ikke problemer å skjønne. Som sagt, det avhenger hva slags situasjon man er oppi. Fortsatt synes jeg at folk bør likevel si “døv”, ordet vil jo spre videre. “Døv” ord vil få mer anerkjennelse. DEt er jo opp til folk om de gidder. Det kan ikke kreves.
By: Superbia on January 20, 2010
at 08:19
Hm, jeg kjenner meg faktisk igjen .. Jeg var en av de som måtte absolutt nevne at jeg er tunghørt. Jeg aner ikke hvorfor og har ikke en bra forklaring på det.. Men når man er i tenåringen, så gjør man kanskje alt for å bli sett? Jeg vet ikke.. Kanskje det har noe med usikkerhet å gjøre?
(Av og til sier jeg at jeg er tunghørt, men det er som regel ubevisst. Jeg tenker ikke over det egentlig. Men som regel sier jeg at jeg er døv
Hehe. )
Ja, jeg forstår deg. Ordet, “døv” bør få mer anerkjennelse. Det er jeg enig i. Men noen føler at det blir feil å si at de er døv når de er tunghørt, så det må vi bare akseptere..
By: Linda KH on January 21, 2010
at 07:58